Showing posts with label Bible. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bible. Show all posts

Wednesday, October 29, 2014

Jesus Once, Jesus, Twice, Jesus Three Times...


Guest Host – Rev. Phineas Marr, pastor of the First BaptistChurch of Kenosha, WI and Adjunct Professor of Religion at Carthage College



Bible Suite, Movement 3 – The Gospels

Our first ever Skype episode – still working out the kinks, but it is promising. For this episode Jonathan is joined by his old friend and one-time mentor Phin Marr. Jonathan and Phin ponder why it is that we have four different stories of Jesus. Really, shouldn’t one be enough?

Each gospel offers a different perspective of Jesus, a different approach and understanding of who Jesus is and there may be some wisdom to this. You can never know someone fully through just one perspective, so with four we find a greater depth to the person and work of Jesus Christ. Perhaps then you can try to offer a fifth perspective (and we always like a fifth) – which would be yours. Listen to the episode, their pithy summary of the different gospels, and consider what your story of Jesus might be.

Rialage –
Phin is from New Jersey, so he is always anger. However, he is especially angry about people telling lies to convince youth to become Christian. Are we really that desperate to bring people to Christ?

Jonathan is angry about the remake of the Left Behind movie. Wasn’t once enough?

Scripture-
2 Corinthians 5:16-17
Free yourself from literal reading!

Watcha’ Into
Phin isn’t really sure what he is into. He certainly isn’t into the pop radio top 10, but recommends that people listen to the Beatles classic, The White Album. He also likes Flash, and Gotham

Jonathan is reading A Tree Grows in Brooklyn by Betty Smith. He has a blog post here.

Again, thanks for listening. Send your comments and questions to 12ecast@gmail.com and don’t forget to rate the show on iTunes.

Next episode, a break from the Bible Suite and a look at economic justice

Guest Host – Rev. Dr. Bill Trench

Monday, October 6, 2014

Let's Start With the Text

Season 5, Episode 11 – Be Careful What You Read!

Guest Host – show favorite, Rev. Darin R. Collins of Berean Baptist Church in Burrillville, RI














In the first installment/movement of his “Bible Suite” Jonathan is joined by Darin to discuss… the Bible. Let’s start with the simple question, how do you read this thing? Darin throws a wrench in just that question by looking at the story of Noah and the Flood (Genesis 5:32-10:1). He brings up the tricky aspect of God planning on destroying the majority of humanity, offers some hermeneutical acrobatics to get around such a reading, and yet is still unsettled. Part of the difficulty is not just the horrific aspects of scripture (rape, murder, betrayal, hatred, oppression, etc.), but the many times that scripture contradicts itself (such as when Jesus corrects a certain interpretations of scripture… “you have heard it said, but I say unto you” Matthew 5:17-48 as an example). It is a tricky thing to read the Bible.

What Jonathan and Darin do is engage the difficulties and complexities of scripture with some honesty and some confusion. If nothing else they stress the importance of reading scripture in a community. It is very important to read the Bible with a group… maybe a book group. You can have a glass of wine while you read which is Biblical because wine is Biblical.

Jonathan did write a whole blog post about this Bible reading thing - read it here

Anyway, read your Bible, but do it with others because it is not an easy thing to figure out.

Rialage –
Spiritual Obesity! Churches grow quickly (like Joel Osteen’s or Mark Dricsoll’s) on a foundation of weak, thin theology, certainty without questioning, feel-good answers, and basic processed crap. This is leading to a spiritual obesity epidemic in our country where people are not getting the whole-grain, home-grown, organic, and crunchy goodness of the gospel. It isn’t healthy.

Scripture-
2 Timothy 3:14-17
All scripture is “inspired” by God and will make you a better person if you let it.

Watcha’ Into
Darin is smarter than he thinks, reading another John Caputo book: The Insistence of God: A Theologyof Perhaps – good for you, Darin!



Jonathan needs to dumb it down – he is reading The Confessions by Augustine of Hippo




Again, thanks for listening. Send your comments and questions to 12ecast@gmail.com and don’t forget to rate the show on iTunes.

Tuesday, March 4, 2014

Getting Along With Others

These are the notes for Season 4, Episode 8 – Not In MyHouse

In this episode Jonathan is joined by Tim Rich the rector of St. Luke’s Episcopal Church in East Greenwich, RI.


The topic is for the day is denominations; why are they needed and all that. Here is the spoiler – they are important and are needed.


If one were to surmise an argument against the relevance and reality of Christianity the multiplicity of denominations and traditions might be a good one. After all, if God was real and if Christ was the real thing, then why would Christians disagree with each other over what it means to worship and follow Christ? The division, disagreement, and factions can speak to a human creation of the divine and a human need to control that manufactured deity. This would be a fairly good argument to make, so atheists… you’re welcome.

On the other hand one could look at denominations and claim that they speak to God’s mercy, God richness, God’s depth, and God’s freedom. We have denominations because God does not say to us that we must worship in one particular way or another. We have denominations because God does not tell us exactly how we are to understand the revelation of Jesus Christ, the presence of the Holy Spirit, or the divine love that began the movements of the cosmos. We have denominations because we are free to try to understand and learn and grow in our faith. Perhaps the diversity of denominations and movements and traditions speak to the nature of God and the call of Christ in a different way. So take that, atheists!

I don’t want to over-glamorize the historical emergence of denominations. Very rarely have denominations emerged out of a gentlemen’s agreement that “you will worship you way and I will worship my way and we shall respect each other.” Instead they tended to emerge out of truth claims made strongly and violently. The diversity of denominations comes out of a history of human pride, selfishness, and violence and this is not something to be proud of.

This is not to say that denominations are bad. In the episode Jonathan and Tim make the point that today denominations are something to celebrate and embrace. Yes, they have a difficult past and that is not something to ignore, but they offer a history and heritage and a culture to being Christian. Each movement of Christianity has its gifts and particular part of its story. Just as different countries and ethnicities have different cultures and traditions so do denominations and that is something to celebrate but not at the exclusion of others. It is important to embrace the differences and the gifts and then to engage in a great exchange of stories. In the stories are markers that separate one group of people from the other and we can learn from those markers. The Baptist centrality of scripture may inform and lift up the Anglican just as the importance that an Anglican gives to the liturgy may deepen the spirituality of the Baptist.

To summarize – it is good to be different. It is important to know why you are different and to embrace those differences. It is good to learn about other people’s difference. It is good to share and learn.

Denominations can be good, as long as we no longer practice exclusion let go of the demand to be right we can do great things with each other.

FYI – the book that Tim mentioned is: People of the Way by Dwight Zscheile (whose last name neither Tim nor Jonathan can pronounce).










Railige
Jonathan is not happy (no surprise) with the American BibleSociety and Barna Group’s study that concluded that Providence, RI is the leastBiblically minded city in America. He is not happy because it is a weak study that does not really offer much to work with. Yet… it is very true that we are in a post-Christian culture and it is likely that many people do not read the Bible on a regular basis or engage in any Christian practices or embrace Christian tenants or doctrines (like those concerning the accuracy of the Bible).

Tim is a more profound thinker – he is angry at a billboard that encourages the idea of “more.” It is not the billboard that Tim is angry about but the cultural notion that what we have is not enough and that we need and deserve more. This approach to life is not going to end well because we will always want more and will never be satisfied even when we have all that we can.

Opening the wordIsaiah 58:1-9a – Since we are just about at Lent it seems appropriate to look at this passage and thing about what you can give up for the season. Try giving up something that will deepen your relationship with God and might be something that you can offer to someone in need.

Watcha Into?
Tim watched the Olympics, or at least we are presuming that he did since he said he would. Go team USA!

Jonathan is reading And the MountainsEchoed by Khaled Hosseini. It is a good book about relationships, humanity, and living


Please, please, please rate us on iTunes – thanks and get ready for Lent! Next episode – identity and community with Father Jacob Lazarus (Thibault) of the Church of the Holy Paraclete


Friday, December 6, 2013

There Is Forgiveness?

Show Notes for Season 4, Episode 3

I admit it, this is going to be a “slap-dash” posting. I am behind with show notes and want to catch up. So….

With the main topic Jonathan and Darin finish their conversation about sin and talk about the role of the cross. They look at a couple of different views:

Substitutionary Atonement – Christ died for our sins, plain and simple. Not much emphasis on the resurrection, but that wasn’t as hard as the crucifixion so should not have that great of an impact

Existential Christianity (via Paul Tillich) – In the crucifixion and the resurrection we see the greatest despair and in response the greatest hope. The crucifixion shows us how far humanity can fall and the resurrection show us how much God can love (there is no limit). Great view of the resurrection, but not a great view of the crucifixion.

Rene Girard – Scapegoat theory and more! Basically in the crucifixion Christ takes on the desires and rage and jealousy of humanity and ends the cycle (or demonstrates it for the world to see). In the resurrection the cycles is full broken. Keeps a sense of the atonement but weak on resurrection.

What both Jonathan and Darin are trying to say is that the crucifixion and resurrection are important, perhaps the apex of Christian faith, and needs to be taken seriously. It also means that it cannot be neatly packaged into one idea or another but always pushes beyond.

Rialige –
Jonathan is ticked off at the Methodist campaign about “rethinkingchurch” – it is nothing new or radical, just ignored

Darin offers a list of the worst companies when it comes to employ payment. Get ready to feel guilty (at least it isn’t Walmart).

Opening the Word -
Deuteronomy 26:1-11
Remember that what you have is from God, what you gain is from God, and please, please, please remember to offer thanks to God!

Watcha Into -
Jonathan is snotty and is watching Ingmar Bergman’s Through a Glass Darkly

Darin is watching one of the greatest shows ever: Firefly


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Friday, June 17, 2011

Be Careful What You Read

Corresponds with Season 1, Episode 4 - Lost in Translation

This is going to be short because I’m behind. Deal with it.

If we wanted to control the thoughts and ideas of a group of people we would want to control what those people read (or saw or heard). This was a major sticking point with Bible translations – people wanted to control what other people thought and believed. It was important to hold onto the idea of Christ being born of a virgin, or of Christ being born of a young woman. They were certain words and phrases are translated will effect how you understand your faith, so it is important to control what others are reading. Yet if we trust the Holy Spirit, then we should try to make the translation as close as possible to the original, as possible as that may be. Or, maybe God can work through even the worst translation ever done. But, if I could just tell everyone what to believe and what to read, then things would be great.

Books on Bible History and Translation

An American Bible: A History of the Good Book in the United States, 1777-1880
By Paul C. Gutjahr, Sanford University Press, 2001.


In Discordance with the Scriptures: American Protestant Battles over Translating the Bible. Peter J. Thuesen, Oxford University Press, 2002.

The Eclipse of Biblical Narrative: A Study in Eighteenth and Nineteenth Century Hermeneutics. Hans W. Frei, Yale University Press, 1980.

Bible Translations:

RSV
NRSV
NIV
Message
KJV
The Good News
The Living Bible
(There are a million others, just search the web and have a good time)

Webpage of Translations Chart

From Whatca’ Reading:

A Layman’s Guide to Protestant Theology. By William Horden, Macmillan Publishing Co., 1955.

Casino Royal: A James Bond Novel. By Ian Fleming, Penguin Books, 1953.